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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast got a breakdown for you kicking

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off january with dan how are we done i'm

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great thank you very much how are you

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i am not bad um we should actually

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mention uh because i don't think we have

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yet on audio that your fundraiser you

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hit your your mark and beyond absolutely

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yeah thank you so so so so much to

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everybody who who contributed um we've

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gone a little bit over the desired

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amount so

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i'll be going to columbia to investigate

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a light phenomena on a mountain and

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hopefully figure out whether that's uh

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something prosaic or something a little

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bit more mysterious um you know we might

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have to put a flag up and ask for for

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help from uapx or project galileo maybe

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uh but we'll cross that bridge when we

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come to it um

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it's gonna be really fun and exciting

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expect a lot of streaming via my

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instagram you can find me at the signal

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i'll post a little bit on twitter but it

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doesn't have those live streaming things

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um also look out for him for uh live

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streams from vinnie's channel at

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disclosure underscore team um because he

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does live streaming a lot more so i

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expect i'll be popping up on there a bit

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as well

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yes and you mentioned you'd went over

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your target by a bit which was amazing

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that people were still donating even

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that's right yeah and you were telling

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me beforehand are you booking up dubai

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or were you going somewhere a bit more

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exotic with the extra no i should again

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we're joking so no i will say because

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there's a whole thing we decided with

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that actually so there's a few bits of

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equipment for me to get like lapel mics

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and things like that just so you know

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people can hear me when i'm talking and

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we're doing the live streaming stuff um

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but basically what we're gonna do is

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whatever is left over at the end of the

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holiday there is a small orphanage in

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the town so whatever's left over will be

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donated again in the name of ufo twitter

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um spreading a little love and

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positivity wherever we go

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yeah awesome and like you say with with

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the money you raised it covered the

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expenses of the trip and the flights and

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stuff so even the extra it lets you live

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a bit while you're there as well so yeah

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it's um it's not free to be there

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obviously but on like you say that

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that's awesome to do that as well we're

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not turning into charity podcasts that

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we're here to talk about ufos at the end

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of the day plain and simple but it's

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nice you can give a little something

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like that extra back as well so yeah i

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think so too looking forward to dan

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getting out there and being a part of

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that and and then the actual documentary

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that comes from it as well which will be

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which will be awesome thanks for

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everyone who's checked out the ashley

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kibby podcasts um i know it was uh up in

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a big 2 hour 25 effort on on the premium

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services and it was part one and part

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two on the free feeds thank you to

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everyone who who listened checked out

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and we got some great feedback from as

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well if ashley kelly wasn't a name that

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know and he told some wonderful stories

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on there and uh tales from colombian

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ufology and ufo history out in in south

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america so that was really really

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off christopher mellon uh released an

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article just a couple of days ago as we

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why hasn't lou elizondo been offered his

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the article there's nothing

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hidden there and there's no kind of

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rhetorical meanings at all um

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dan when chris mellon puts something out

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it's it's not because he's had a board

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half hour and decided to create some

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content for these for these patreon

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users like chris i don't think he's got

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a patreon but you know

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has has done this deliberately and for a

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as reasoning as to put our letter like

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this on on lou's behalf

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department of defense spokesperson susan

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put out messaging that a new office

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isn't needed and the office that they

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just kind of set up is fit for purpose

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um and when chris think puts things out

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you're right it's not for you know an

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audience like that it usually is

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directed at lawmakers and you know he

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he's very pointed with his language and

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and if everyone's reading it and

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thinking hmm this this doesn't seem you

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know aimed at us it's because it's not

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essentially that the government is

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dysfunctional because people like lou uh

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the point he makes is that people like

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lou were thinking outside of the box and

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actually trying to solve this problem um

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and if you look at how he's been treated

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by the department of defense over the

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past few years

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is not just not rewarded it's

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discouraged and

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keep in lieu under under the kind of

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pressure that they put in amanda by

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saying you know that he didn't work at

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atip and things like that and

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flip-flopping on their statements um it

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just discourages people to do do the

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work that needs to be done you know

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they're only ever going to do the thing

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that they're told to do and that that

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doesn't get us anywhere

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it was really interesting um stephen

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greenstreet who i know the last couple

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of months has had his ups and downs with

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the ufo twitter community which i'm sure

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steven cares about you know um he he put

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on some comparative comments from

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pentagon spokespeople from the last

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couple of years uh where they have

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flip-flopped on those statements seven

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or eight months apart i don't know dan

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if you're able to bring those up if

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you've got them handy right yeah do you

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want to read those out for people

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because i thought this was really good

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work from stephen to be fair yeah for

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sure so may 2019 this was uh pentagon

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spokesman chris sherwood i think chris

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seems to be more amenable to the truth

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coming out and in conversations and

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interviews um he he said that he found

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the whole thing frustrating that they

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weren't just being straight about it so

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that first statement may 2019 chris said

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atip did pursue research and

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investigation into unidentified aerial

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phenomena quite simple you know no

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nothing complex there's nothing crazy

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said there i mean there is but you know

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not not by our standards i guess yeah

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um and then just a few months later in

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december uh susan goth said neither or

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sav nor atip were uap related directly

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contradicting

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then we had uh again chris sherwood back

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in may 2019 said that elizondo was

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detailed to dia

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then forward to december again and

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susan's now saying that elizondo was

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neither assigned nor detailed to dia

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chris also said that elizondo had no

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responsibilities with regard to the atip

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program

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whereas dia spokesperson james coudia in

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may 2019 said that elizondo helped

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transition a tip out of dia to another

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office so it seems that the only people

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that think that elizondo did nothing is

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susan goff because everyone that worked

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with him and has seen the paperwork you

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know two out of three people there um

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all disagree with her

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susan goff by very title as it suggests

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as the spokesperson

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for the for the dod that's right

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are there people behind her though who

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are are giving her this information to

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to read out because as as it seems on

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the surface it's a a one you know one

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person rampage against luella zondo from

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susan gough but

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are there not other people in the

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giving her this information and you know

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putting it up there to say this

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susan it's an interesting predicament

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because you're absolutely right if it

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was anybody else they're just doing

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their job right um whereas 844 days ago

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uh susan goff instructed all of the

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other departments dealing with the uap

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issues to direct all of the foia

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requests to her she essentially took the

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reins and said you know i am the foyer

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officer for this which she is not that

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is not her remit that is not her job and

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now suddenly she's been promoted to a

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full spokesperson

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she's someone that's strategizing and

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her paper and evolution of um psyops in

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america and a history of it um shows

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that she's someone that thinks about

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strategy on this point so

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while she yes probably isn't in between

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for messaging she's more than willing to

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do what the hand is telling her and

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no doubt help come up with the very

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strategy that's being employed

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and that's why so many people have an

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issue with susan goff and people might

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have noted that we're pronouncing her

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name gough and it's been go in the past

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uh i think that's just been a i don't

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know when we heard go for me that

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pronunciation was always golf but i

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didn't know if it was one of those i

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think things we came up with a little

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rant about trying to get her to leave

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her job you know go go

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interesting that chris mellon's article

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has gone up it's a pretty short piece

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it's to the point uh has it's got lou's

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resignation letter on there as well from

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2017 very much sticking up for a friend

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and colleague but i'm sure it's aimed at

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a few people short of having their names

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plastered on there to say

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x y and z please read this

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it's it's there for certain people to

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read and again maybe not necessarily the

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rest of us as a community yeah i mean

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imagine senator gillibrand reading that

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and kind of going oh wow the government

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is dysfunctional they are not listening

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to what we've directed them in this uh

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this legislation and they're not going

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to play ball no matter what they're

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saying you know it's

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the proof is in their actions not their

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words

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absolutely so yeah check that out on

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chris mellon's blog and you'll see it on

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his twitter feed and other socials as

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well

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next up i tweeted a piece the other day

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that i found on reddit and uh it was on

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as a magic document from the cia i think

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the black vault there's a lot of links

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going around to the black vault having

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this this piece up and the title of it

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it was in the high strangeness reddit

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sub forum by a relevant appellation and

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it was magic perfectly explained in a

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cia document and it talks about

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patterning which is a technique involved

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using consciousness to basically

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manipulate objectives

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um

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dan i'm going to stop there because the

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wording of it got a little bit um crazy

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as it goes on

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do you know the thing that most

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unsettled me about this

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was the slight angle that the document

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was photocopied at which makes it feel

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like you're constantly reading the lines

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yeah and i do wonder if that's a

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deliberate cia thing that they put them

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out they start their stuff out there at

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a funny angle which just totally messes

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with you

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but um yeah so you you know a little bit

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more about this and you've also just

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less than the last week downloaded the

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full document haven't you as well yeah

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that's right i can i can tweet that on

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social media for people um it's been

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around for a while it was a document

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that was issued in uh 9th of june 1983

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and it basically details a process that

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someone called rob robert monroe came up

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with um and

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he was essentially trying to formalize

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the

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various different

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uh things that look like remote viewing

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where expanding your consciousness

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transcendental meditation hypnosis all

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that kind of stuff you know we were

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trying to figure out like how does that

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work what what is it um and the hemisync

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process uh that came up you could you

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can actually buy these as audio files um

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they play a different tone in each ear

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and the idea is that it's gonna sink the

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two hemispheres of your brain together

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and then when that happens the harmonic

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resonance produced through those two

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different sounds gives you a different

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brain state and that supposedly allows

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you to slip into

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you know the astral plane or whatever

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you want to call it quicker um

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there's a little bit in the document

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that talks about uh kundalini and i

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don't know if you've used that heard

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that term before but it's about kind of

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a spiritual awakening um so it's one of

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these things that

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again there's a lot of language that

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the words might be different but these

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concepts have been around for

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as far back as i can think in history

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you know it's just a case of

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writing them down um but yeah wayne

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mcdonnell uh did

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kind of a summary of the whole process

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um detailed it and turned it into the us

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army um it's called the gateway analysis

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if you want to google it um

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there's there's nothing in there that is

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going to give you superpowers i'll say

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that straight up um

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all that kind of stuff takes work and if

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you want to do that great i'd recommend

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going to the monroe institute

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gateway process website and just kind of

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downloading those initial things um

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they're really nice for meditation um i

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i want to kind of i have this little

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head strap brainwave monitor thing and

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i'm really eager to put that on and kind

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of go through the course and see how my

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control of the brain waves is altered um

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but yeah that that's what it is

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essentially

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if anyone's got an interest in this

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which i'm sure you will have i recommend

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checking out my interviews with dr

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simeon hein that i done last year in the

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year before and also buddy from alien

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protocols as well

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some really interesting conversations

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within those and buddy actually doesn't

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call it remote viewing he calls it

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resonance viewing doesn't he as well so

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that's right because again we're talking

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about resonance and and the how to get

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there is to resonate with the universe

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that's the idea

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that's document though it it talks it

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seems to talk to me and as i was reading

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it i got kind of thoughts of the matrix

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in there and you know when neil bends

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the spoon but it's not the spin that

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bends but yourself and deconstructing

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reality and all that kind of stuff as it

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came across yeah yeah yeah and and that

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essentially is is what i'm getting at

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when i talk about how those concepts

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have been with us for a long time and we

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just use different language to talk

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about them so now we have you know that

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document is called hemisync or whatever

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and really you you can go back into

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buddhism and you know uh kundalini and

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learn about all that and you'll see the

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same concepts over and over again so if

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you're intrigued by this give it a read

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you might find it a little bit

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on the edge um but you know see where it

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goes you can either listen to us on the

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radio or you can have a do do a little

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bit of work and uh and see if you can

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can i also add in there done is this not

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and i've not just looked this up by the

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way i was typing something else

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as that's not part of where the you said

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it doesn't give you super powers but the

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the menu static goats with george

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clooney uh ewan mcgregor and co is

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loosely based on this isn't it and can i

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just say

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i mean don't go into it looking at it as

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a as a documentary although it does come

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up with a disclaimer

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right at the beginning that

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much of what you've seen here is is

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actually true and did happen

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that's a really funny movie uh but it is

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also a really interesting one for me

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have you seen that yourself i have yeah

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yeah it makes a really good double

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viewing with third eye spies because you

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you kind of get a good sense of what

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they really dramatized in the movie um i

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i feel like it's been a game of

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telephone with some of these remote

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viewing stories um you know depending on

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who you ask depends on who stopped the

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goat's heart by looking at it uh you

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know you ask yuri galla it was him you

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have someone else it was someone else um

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but there might be a nugget of truth in

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that maybe they slowed something's heart

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down or something like that you know um

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i find it really intriguing and it's one

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of these things that i'm going to be

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looking at on my show coloring outside

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the lines um i'll be talking with a

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whole bunch of remote viewers and

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hopefully we can kind of dig in and if

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you have any questions about this stuff

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especially this document send it in uh

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these are the guys that are going to you

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know know it thoroughly inside out

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absolutely yeah looking forward to that

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and uh just just today dad was letting

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me hear a little sneak peek of what the

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the music for that podcast will be

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sounding like uh just afterwards don't

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be sued by the spice girls if i use it

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do you know that

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potentially and i'll have to say goodbye

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to your

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space girls pun for people on a ufo

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podcast um but yeah just today i've

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finished up with dave partridge and

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graham rendell's intro music as well

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which i think really hits the tone of

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their show as well which they've

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recorded their intro show today which

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i'm really excited to listen to when we

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go off of this recording as well

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big news getting towards the end of this

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breakdown dan is that the james webb

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telescope is now fully deployed so if i

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am correct with my limited scientific

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knowledge as everyone knows

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that means the thing is now fully

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expanded the sun shields it up it's all

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it's out and it's in its final evolved

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pokemon form

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that's a

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it went from a pikachu to a raichu with

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no issues and the the telescope is now

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on its way i think it's a five-month

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journey to the lagrange lagrange point

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is that the right way right it's the guy

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who who found those points where

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essentially there's so many kind of bits

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of gravity that crossover it creates a

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point in space that you can orbit um and

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it's like a telescope's cap point yeah

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think of it that way uh except it's

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going to be orbiting the cap points it's

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not going to be sat still at a cat point

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um and the reason that that will happen

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is because basically with the hubble

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there was a lot of downtime with it

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because it would be in the shadow of the

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earth um

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whereas with james webb because it's

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00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:35,840
orbiting it'll constantly be in use so

547
00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:38,559
we get a lot more time with it just to

548
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:39,760
check and i'm putting you on the spot

549
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:41,360
here dan before we talk about the james

550
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:42,880
webb i think it's only fair to mention

551
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:44,480
hubble hubble done a lot of amazing

552
00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:45,600
things

553
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:47,760
am i right i'm taking this off the top

554
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:49,120
of my head

555
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:50,640
and bear in mind i could just pause this

556
00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:52,160
and use the magic of editing to make it

557
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:55,360
look like i knew it but did it take 29

558
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:58,080
years for hubble to be made and sent

559
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:59,919
into space

560
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:01,440
you know what the top of my head i'm not

561
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:03,679
sure i'm not i'm not going to

562
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:05,520
lie and answer it but

563
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:07,600
i wouldn't be surprised there's a lot of

564
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:08,960
technology that went into i might be

565
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:10,159
wrong and you know what folks will leave

566
00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:11,520
this in and if we're wrong totally

567
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:14,080
disregard this but the the the essence

568
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:15,200
of what i'm trying to say will be

569
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:16,240
correct

570
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:18,640
it took quite a while to make the hubble

571
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:20,880
telescope that by the time it was put

572
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:24,960
into space the technology was already

573
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,280
being you know upgraded on or outdated

574
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:29,520
and we had better here on earth

575
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:30,480
so

576
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:32,720
the the james webb when it gets up into

577
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:34,320
space and operational is going to be a

578
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:37,280
lot more current to what the technology

579
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,960
should be right now that's kind of what

580
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:40,480
i want to see if that makes sense to

581
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:42,640
people listening yeah for sure and and

582
00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:44,240
while you were talking there i just kind

583
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:46,840
of looked up real quick

584
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,520
um it took eight years to actually build

585
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:51,600
the hubble telescope uh the idea started

586
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:54,159
to gain traction in the 1960s 1977

587
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:55,760
congress approved funds to begin the

588
00:21:01,990 --> 00:20:58,559
development the telescope was

589
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:02,000
completed in 1985 and launched in 1990.

590
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:03,840
so that's what i think i was looking at

591
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:05,440
that's a good while and technology

592
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:08,080
changed a lot in that period right and

593
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:10,000
we still got incredible photos from it

594
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:12,080
we have that you know real famous hubble

595
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:13,440
deep field picture where it looked like

596
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:16,159
a one inch patch of sky and we just saw

597
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:17,679
you know what we thought would be the

598
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,159
abyss and darkness we saw all this

599
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:22,480
potential

600
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:24,720
all galaxies and planets and it was just

601
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:26,480
super exciting you said potential you

602
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,310
you caught me well you know i don't know

603
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:34,080
i should allow you to say that yeah all

604
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:36,880
these potential mysteries i'll say that

605
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:39,360
um but yeah the james webb is is a

606
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:41,840
little bit different um so currently

607
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,240
it's about 700 000 miles from earth

608
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,400
about two hundred thousand

609
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:48,640
two hundred and ten thousand miles from

610
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:51,039
the lagrange point so it's about 75

611
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,799
there and it's slowing down

612
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:54,080
um

613
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:57,679
actually queued up at the moment and you

614
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,960
can kind of go and read through what

615
00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:00,240
it's going to be used for they've

616
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,240
approved all the projects but basically

617
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:04,400
there are kind of four main facets of it

618
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,919
uh one there is going to be looking

619
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,440
using infrared vision that's going to be

620
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:09,200
able to peer back further to the early

621
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:11,919
universe so uh we'll kind of start to

622
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,440
see images of the first stars and

623
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:15,600
galaxies forming out of the darkness

624
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:17,039
which would be cool then you've got

625
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:20,559
galaxies over time this is kind of

626
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:22,480
they'll help astronomers compare the

627
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:24,880
faintest earliest galaxies to today's

628
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:27,200
huge you know spirals and ellipticals

629
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:28,799
and we'll understand how they are

630
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:31,039
created um

631
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:32,640
then you've got the life cycle of a star

632
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,840
there's a lot about that that we don't

633
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:35,760
understand that the the james webb is

634
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,280
going to be able to help us with that

635
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:39,280
includes kind of you know monitoring

636
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:42,640
life um or sorry i should say light not

637
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,799
life it's a very different thing um and

638
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,799
we'll see kind of you know um they call

639
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,559
them inclusions where a planet will

640
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,640
block a bit of the sun

641
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,720
with tabby's star that was the everyone

642
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,799
thought it was aliens in a dyson sphere

643
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,120
uh yeah with a light dimmed so james

644
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,200
webb is gonna be sent more sensitive to

645
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,679
that kind of stuff um so we'll we're

646
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,520
gonna be finding a lot of things to to

647
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,440
study and there's something about the

648
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:07,440
james webb that i find it's a little bit

649
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:10,000
poetic to think that you know you've

650
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:11,440
seen pictures of the telescope and it's

651
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:13,280
coated in this beautiful gold mirror

652
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:15,280
that's you know real thin

653
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,480
and one of the things they're going to

654
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:18,720
be doing is basically we thought that

655
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:21,440
heavy heavy elements heavy metals were

656
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:24,400
made out of supernova explosions so you

657
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:26,320
know when when you look at your

658
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:29,039
susan's uh your wife's wedding ring the

659
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,640
gold that literally comes from an

660
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:32,080
exploding supernova style that's kind of

661
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,919
cool right um but they did the

662
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:35,520
calculations and found that it couldn't

663
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,120
possibly come from a supernova star so

664
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,760
now they're looking at neutron stars and

665
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,480
there's there's something poetic about

666
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:44,880
the gold coming from that explosion

667
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:47,200
crashing here on earth us just happening

668
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:48,640
to develop

669
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:50,799
to learn how to use this metal and use

670
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:53,200
gold to look back at its own birth

671
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:54,720
that's a little bit profound right it's

672
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:56,480
just poetry emotion

673
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,120
yeah and what i hope and

674
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,600
while not necessarily related directly

675
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:03,520
to alien life or other you know other

676
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,720
civilizations

677
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:06,960
i hope this telescope manages to pick up

678
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:07,840
some

679
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:11,600
and go what is that

680
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:14,000
or huh we weren't expecting to see that

681
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:15,039
because i know they're going to get to

682
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:15,919
see

683
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,880
planets and galaxies clearer and and

684
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,320
potentially like i'm guessing like

685
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,400
nebula and how things have developed and

686
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,400
come together and yeah you know those

687
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:26,720
those kind of first stars

688
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,360
and just something there that goes huh

689
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,200
that's not what we were expecting and

690
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:33,200
that that for me is what why any

691
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:34,960
scientist who isn't interested in the

692
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,919
subject of ufos it always really

693
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,679
confuses me that why wouldn't you be

694
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:41,360
because surely as a scientist you want

695
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,559
to find

696
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,640
the most incredible and unknown things

697
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:46,480
to to work them out

698
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:47,919
i mean yeah you've hit the nail on the

699
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:50,080
head for avila webb's galileo project

700
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:51,919
there you know we we saw the first

701
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,159
extracellular object um come into the

702
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:56,640
solar system um it had a weird

703
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,960
trajectory it looked like it was

704
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:00,880
you know altering the trajectory that we

705
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,679
expected from an overton object um

706
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:05,520
and then everyone was arguing over what

707
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,880
it possibly was

708
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,480
avi's there trying to set up the project

709
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:10,080
and actually do the work and scientists

710
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,200
are complaining or sorry uh arguing over

711
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:14,880
whether or not it's even an interesting

712
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:18,400
object when the only solutions to it is

713
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,360
either something like an

714
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,919
extraterrestrial you know solar sail or

715
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:24,080
something like that chip whatever

716
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:27,600
or we're looking at a fully nitrogen

717
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,799
kind of

718
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,640
chunk floating through space that we

719
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:32,880
didn't think could exist anyway so like

720
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,960
either way it's this incredible mystery

721
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:36,480
that should be looked at and i really

722
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,919
don't understand why people kind of go

723
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,600
oh you know if it might be aliens i

724
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:41,039
don't want to get in on the research

725
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,840
like why not do you want a nobel prize

726
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,679
one hundred percent and even in chasing

727
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,000
something like um not about literally

728
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,320
chasing it you know it's long gone

729
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,080
but on the way to trying to find out

730
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:54,320
what something like that might be or

731
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:56,080
could have been you might find something

732
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:56,880
else

733
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,880
it's that whole thing of you know

734
00:26:01,909 --> 00:26:00,640
i think that the phrase used to be aim

735
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:01,919
for the moon if you fall short you may

736
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:04,000
land on a star which is wrong in many

737
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:05,919
many ways but i mean we hear asphyxiate

738
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:08,080
either way so

739
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,279
yeah it's that you're going to tumble

740
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:11,039
into the the vastness of space for

741
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,159
eternity you know that's that's what's

742
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:14,080
going to happen but i get i get what

743
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:15,440
they're trying to say with that comment

744
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,960
and for me it's like you know what we

745
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:18,640
might not ever find out what a muammar

746
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,559
was but what else could we find out with

747
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:21,840
the technology

748
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,799
to to be ready for the next that comes

749
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:26,880
by and like you say it's great that

750
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:28,960
avila webb regardless what happens in

751
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,279
the future with that project or others

752
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:32,880
has actually went you know what let's go

753
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:35,120
find out as opposed to just sitting

754
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:36,880
around and writing headlines for

755
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,520
newspapers and theoretical papers on it

756
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:41,919
and giving quotes on tv he's actually

757
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,600
done something about it which is which

758
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:46,080
is fantastic which i love yeah and it

759
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:48,240
the the way that he speaks about it as a

760
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,480
genuine mystery you know he's very

761
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,240
clearly open to seeing something that

762
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,640
he's not expecting here but

763
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,039
he he's running into this as science

764
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:59,760
should run into this um data first he

765
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:01,520
doesn't want any classified data he

766
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:02,960
wants to be able to talk about and share

767
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,600
all of his data and he said you know if

768
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:07,200
they get some interesting data about

769
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,559
birds he's going to give that to people

770
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:10,400
that study birds like there are some

771
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:11,600
really interesting things that could

772
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:12,880
come out of this project that have

773
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:15,600
nothing to do with finding e.t as well

774
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,720
absolutely

775
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,960
and then to finish up i want to ask you

776
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,480
have you seen the

777
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:22,399
the big netflix movie everyone's talking

778
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:24,799
about at the moment don't look up

779
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,720
uh yeah it was weird hearing you say

780
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,000
that because you always say keep looking

781
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:30,159
up and yeah keep looking up you never

782
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:31,600
know what you might see well you could

783
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,559
look up on netflix don't look up uh with

784
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:36,640
uh leonardo dicaprio jennifer lawrence

785
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:39,679
meryl streep and a whole host of other

786
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,880
huge huge stars recruited for this film

787
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:44,399
um it's funny as some of the things

788
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:45,919
we've just talked about there it might

789
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,039
not necessarily be about alien life but

790
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,840
it was about you know science and what

791
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,279
happens when people

792
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:55,440
deny science and it got me thinking of

793
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:57,279
someone like avi loeb going around and

794
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:59,919
trying to get his project going uh and

795
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,600
other scientists not being interested

796
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,960
then we're not going to look at the

797
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,640
political statements that are being made

798
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:06,640
by the director in the film but

799
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,000
just quickly what did you think of the

800
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,679
movie i i thought i really enjoyed the

801
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:11,200
movie um

802
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:12,960
there were bits where the laughter kind

803
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:14,320
of turned to

804
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,520
you know horror for me because

805
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:19,440
there's this scene at the end where

806
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:20,880
they're kind of saying you know how do

807
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,600
you know the media is there and leo just

808
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:26,240
loses his mind and you know i want i

809
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,279
don't swear because you'll have to put

810
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,200
the ratings on but basically makes the

811
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:31,679
point because we took a picture of it um

812
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:32,960
and

813
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,279
i i had a bunch of texts from friends

814
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,960
about that scene saying hey this this

815
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,720
sounds like your whole point and i was

816
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,640
like yes and it does

817
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,720
because we took a picture of it and it

818
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:44,559
doesn't matter what someone like mick

819
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:47,360
west says we either solve the issue or

820
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,360
we sit in a room

821
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:51,120
holding on to our glory days of

822
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:53,440
developing tony hawk and doing nothing

823
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:55,600
except fannying about in a garage you

824
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:57,039
know there's a mystery out there go out

825
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,679
and solve it mick isn't a scientist

826
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:01,279
let's listen to the scientists and those

827
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:02,480
qualified

828
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,919
yeah and that's exactly what i was

829
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,240
thinking as well as you watch it and

830
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:08,240
people look at you know climate change

831
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:09,760
and covert and all that kind of stuff

832
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,720
but

833
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:12,399
as a commentary there's so many

834
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:15,039
similarities with the ufo subject and

835
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:16,880
mainstream media making a joke about it

836
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,399
well a serious scientist as they are

837
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:20,640
trying to prove a point and we've got a

838
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:21,919
lot of data

839
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:24,559
yeah we can't physically show you the

840
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,679
thing

841
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,840
especially right now but there's there's

842
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,840
a lot to say there's something there

843
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:32,080
and we should be going after this and

844
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,919
you know not necessarily before it's too

845
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,760
late and blows us all up you know i hope

846
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:37,520
not you know a few interviews we've done

847
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:38,799
recently i've talked about impending

848
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,960
cataclysms and all that kind of stuff

849
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,960
but for me it was that whole thing of

850
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,080
you know what we could do something

851
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,159
about this if we work together now

852
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:48,559
go out put some money into it and just

853
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,720
you know as a world

854
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,320
people are going to go he says world

855
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,960
funny in a scottish accent as a world a

856
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,320
planet

857
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,159
get involved and you know trying can i

858
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,240
solve this mystery and

859
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,320
i suppose dan this year you were telling

860
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,240
me before one of our very long term and

861
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,480
supportive listeners dave smithers had

862
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,960
asked you is this the year

863
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:10,320
and do you know what i suppose the

864
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:12,000
answer to that question like like you

865
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,679
can have said back to dave is you know

866
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,360
the year for what is this the year we

867
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,000
finally confirm alien life once and for

868
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:20,480
all probably not but what it is is a

869
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,919
year where we can make a hell of a lot

870
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,760
of progress on the subject yeah

871
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,760
absolutely um we're going to have kind

872
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:27,679
of a heart and mind on the issue now and

873
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,240
and proper scientific instruments and

874
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,000
there's actually money behind what avi

875
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:34,240
is doing you know it's a lot less

876
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,960
difficult now to study these things as

877
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,399
proven by the fact that you know me

878
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,320
myself i'm going to colombia to kind of

879
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:42,880
do one of these projects um

880
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:44,960
so yeah it's it's an exciting year

881
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:46,799
because i just think

882
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:48,399
you know i'm not on my own we have the

883
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:51,039
stuff coming out from uapx um

884
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:52,960
we will have a release probably later in

885
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:55,120
the year from james webb telescope with

886
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,399
some incredible things in there um

887
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:00,720
we'll have galileo projects starting to

888
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:02,240
share data towards the end of the year

889
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:04,000
you know it's a really really exciting

890
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,159
time really exciting

891
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,919
yeah and that's next week we're going to

892
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:09,760
be recording the listener collins which

893
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:11,840
i'm really excited about i've not told

894
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:13,600
dan yet but if he's available dan will

895
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:16,399
be on some of those as well i always try

896
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,320
and set up various different times in

897
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,159
the mornings and evenings just to cover

898
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:22,320
people around the world or on the last

899
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:24,320
one someone sat up till i think it was

900
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,279
at four o'clock in the morning then yeah

901
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,279
stayed up or five o'clock in the morning

902
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:31,279
uh in the us to speak to us which was

903
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,480
amazing um so tonight i'll put the the

904
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:36,799
calling calling times up for people who

905
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:39,200
are on patreon uh as a thank you because

906
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:41,120
they get priority access and then i'll

907
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:43,120
open up the diary to everybody else as

908
00:31:48,269 --> 00:31:45,279
well if there are times that don't suit

909
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:48,279
you or don't fit then please email ufo

910
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,840
uapam gmail.com and i can try and fit

911
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:53,679
you in in a different time because i've

912
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:56,080
done that plenty of times as well so i'm

913
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,440
looking forward to that and hopefully

914
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:59,360
dan can can free up some of his very

915
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:00,880
precious time to get involved with that

916
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:02,720
as well yeah absolutely i can turn

917
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:04,399
myself away from prepping for columbia

918
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,679
and packing my bags and trying to make

919
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:07,120
sure everything will get in my backpack

920
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:08,799
that yeah yeah it'd be lovely i love

921
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:10,000
talking to the listeners because they

922
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,200
bring so many different perspectives and

923
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,960
you know we you you and i kind of have

924
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:16,799
this conversation where

925
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,760
you know there there are certain

926
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,080
we don't go full for woo i'll put it

927
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:24,320
like that um whereas sometimes i find

928
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:26,000
the listener questions can can draw that

929
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:27,519
out of us a little bit more and as

930
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,840
someone who's into my woo i i appreciate

931
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:31,519
that

932
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:32,960
and you know what as part of what we

933
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,799
were kind of mentioned there dan as much

934
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:37,120
as we on the on the collins it's

935
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,640
whatever people want to talk about we

936
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,399
can discuss and we've had people sharing

937
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,240
their own experiences their own theories

938
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:43,919
their thoughts what i would love to hear

939
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:45,279
from everyone

940
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,640
if you can't think of something to call

941
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,320
up about especially is what are your

942
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:50,559
hopes for this year what do you hope

943
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:53,840
2022 can bring realistically to this

944
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:55,760
subject and a little bit of why would be

945
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,080
great as well so um and just around the

946
00:33:01,190 --> 00:33:00,000
corner as part of that folks and there's

947
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:01,200
some more interviews coming out an

948
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,799
interview with frank milburn will be out

949
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:04,720
in the next day or so and frank actually

950
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:06,720
had a bit of an exclusive on there as

951
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:09,279
relates to injuries at skinwalker ranch

952
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,720
and which was really interesting to hear

953
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,159
it's a really good interview really

954
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:14,000
fascinating to speak to frank and that

955
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:15,760
will be released in the next kind of 24

956
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,000
hours for everyone and then as part of

957
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,480
that i have ryan musgrave evans coming

958
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,720
on the podcast the week after he has the

959
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,559
book children of orion that i'll be

960
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,080
speaking to him about go and check that

961
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:28,080
one out beforehand get your questions

962
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,600
over already have quite a lot of

963
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,360
questions for him already

964
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:33,600
and i've got one or two other guests who

965
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:35,600
literally today have just got back to me

966
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,000
asking me for some dates to confirm with

967
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:39,840
them so i'll let you know i've not even

968
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,240
set it down yet who one of them is so um

969
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:43,919
i'll let you know who those are as well

970
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,159
in the very very near future folks as

971
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,880
well as that i've got a series of uh

972
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,640
shows i'm working on just now

973
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,480
deliberately being quiet about it dan

974
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,320
knows what i'm working on um it's

975
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,320
involving quite a bit of homework to to

976
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:58,080
do but i think it'll be really

977
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,519
interesting for people i think it'll be

978
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,760
informative and i think especially in a

979
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,279
time where we've got a few months now

980
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,360
before we see some action from a

981
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:07,519
governmental or political point of view

982
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:09,040
it's a time where people can kind of

983
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:11,359
educate or re-educate themselves on on

984
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,480
some of the things that have happened

985
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,399
over the past couple of years so look

986
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:17,280
out for those as well but until then dan

987
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,359
thank you very much for your time

988
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,200
thank you and thank you again to

989
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,040
everybody who donated to the fundraiser

990
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:25,520
i am old and blessed thank you yeah

991
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:26,960
thank you for sending dan away for a

992
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:28,210
couple of weeks very much

993
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,599
[Laughter]

994
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:30,960
thanks everyone

995
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,040
that is all for this week's show thank

996
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,040
you very much for listening please

997
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,280
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998
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00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:43,919
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1002
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1003
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:50,159
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1007
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,599
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1008
00:35:06,170 --> 00:35:03,520
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1009
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:06,180
never know what you might see

1010
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:32,520
is

1011
00:35:32,530 --> 00:35:42,310
[Music]

1012
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,829
i can't imagine how it could have been

1013
00:35:49,260 --> 00:35:45,440
any better i got to the top of the

1014
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:17,390
[Music]

1015
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:36,880
over there

1016
00:37:05,910 --> 00:36:41,510
[Music]

1017
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:05,920
what's up

1018
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:11,839
[Music]

1019
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:13,760
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

1020
00:37:36,370 --> 00:37:34,390
[Music]

1021
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:36,380
thanks